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If Scientology conquered the world…

During my last year as a member of the Church of Scientology, I held many seminars on free will and personal integrity. I also conducted an informal mini-survey where I asked Scientologists what the world would be if Scientology really won out.

Several answers were surprising, some unnerving.

As a Scientologist, it’s easy to envision the really nice parts of such a scenario: “A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights…“. (L. Ron Hubbard, The aims of Scientology). A clear world could be a rational world where people are free to be themselves.

There are also dark sides to the scenario of a Scientology conquered world. They are illustrated by a sample of the answers I got to my mini-survey:

Everyone would be on a standard course schedule
Everything would be run by statistics
There would be no political system as we know it
There would be no other religions
International management would run the show

I leave it to you to imagine how such a world would be. You may leave your thoughts as a comment here or follow the discussion at The Scientology Forum (scnforum.org)

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  1. Laurie
    2009-12-27 at 15:49

    and where man is free to rise to greater heights

    Free Scientology = free beings…

    ….given the way this all works; simple mechanics of theta and simple math – the proper balance will be attained and freedom to rise to greater heights will be available to all….

  2. lunamoth
    2009-12-27 at 19:49

    Let’s not, once again, fall into the trap of equating Scientology, the applied spiritual philosophy, with the church, or worse, the current management of the church.

    Scientology can’t conquer the world -it’s a philosophy. Those applying Scientology can’t even achieve this; to conquer means to rule by overwhelming, to completely dominate. To do that to other beings is not Scientology, rather it’s reverse Scientology.

    The management of the church in the form of the sea organization, however, could conceivably accomplish domination and control of the world or some part of it (if they were not so woefully inept), but even then, it would not be through the use of Scientology.

    If it were to happen that the sea org “ruled the world,” I have no doubt that we would be living in a Fascist state, a Totalitarianism. Just take the tenor of Int Management and apply it to the world at large, complete with the coercion, duress, brutality, nullification of the individual, blind obedience to insane and destructive orders and the abberation of LRH’s tech that now exists, but manifested a world-wide scale.

    If power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, then what would we be looking at on a world-wide scale but the absolute death of the individual and the elimination of all self-determinism? Life on Earth would be a perpetual nightmare of the reactive mind.

    Now, a world where Scientology, real Scientology, were used at all levels, could be a wonderful place. Imagine the renaissance that would accompany it, both in the arts and in the rest of the culture! If the Scientology we were using truly included the Code of a Scientologist, and was based on the premise that what is true for you is what you yourself have observed to be true, and included granting beingness to all people, even those who did NOT use Scientology, the potential for a new Great Civilization would finally be here.

    The difference between a world “conquered by Scientology (the church),” and one run “with Scientology,” would be profound.

    • 2009-12-27 at 22:49

      Good reply. I totally agree to the differentiation of course. When I did the mini-survey, I did not ask with the differentiation in mind but let those answering the survey determine this for themselves.

  3. Chris
    2009-12-27 at 21:48

    “International management would run the show“
    It’s official folks,Scientology SERIOUSLY DID turn into a suicide cult!!!

  4. Chris
    2009-12-27 at 21:50

    Also geir,I assume your seminars were to new public correct?
    How did that work out exactly with DM’s people running around?

    • 2009-12-27 at 22:46

      My seminars were both to new and old public. I did them in Russia, Ukraine and Norway to several hundred people total. It was interesting to see how excited the new public were and also how refreshing the old public reacted. Their personal integrity was rekindled. A few staff following Int Management “Command Intention” were reacting and worried how these ideas about thinking for yourself would act on their public… they wanted their public to follow command intention and do The Basics. Period.

  5. Garry
    2009-12-28 at 00:10

    The concept of “conquer” implies controlling, whether it be land, people or something else.

    Yet a fundamental precept of Scientology, correctly applied of course, is that a person’s self-determinism and integrity are restored, maintained and/or increased.

    So, if “Scientology” supposedly controlled the world, it wouldn’t be “Scientology”.

    • 2009-12-28 at 00:25

      Good point. I have however heard such statements from people I surveyed…
      It seems some scientologists think we are in a war somehow.

      • Chris
        2009-12-29 at 04:16

        No doubt thanks to DM.Still,propagating a war mentality in peace is a common tactic of tyrants.

      • Overdriver
        2009-12-30 at 11:35

        Dear Geir, my doubts about the whole of Scientology is just because of this. Besides that I can imagine a good meaning here for conquer and I did not associated necessarily for a bad one in this context, it is quite odd/weird to have a religious order dressed up in US Navy uniforms… It was made up by LRH and we arrived to the point where it is applied “correctly” by Int Management. Let’s put aside religion and get in militarism as the uniform suggests… Really, they just put on their real “hat” now which is basically their uniform… don’t you think so…? What is the tone level of a military uniform for god’s sake?!
        While I totally agree that there are miraculous discoveries and combination of knowledge in Scientology I am not the least surprised that finally it become what it is right now. I think that the subject would need to be (and it is against as LRH stated but) revised by some highly trained and processed people. Although I am not convinced (as LRH was not either) that it would lead to something good…

  6. TRUTH
    2009-12-28 at 01:25

    Dear Geir,

    Great post! Thank you. As you mentioned the aim of Scientology (not the current Church of Mestology) is: “A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights…“ -LRH

    You are right! If we ever get the chance to have a Clear and OT planet, then we will have self-determined and Pan-determined individuals who are able to control their own lives and be CAUSE and in-ethics, therefore we won’t need anyone running and controlling us. When this happens, the current church of Scientology and its leadership as a Fascist and Totalitarianism system won’t have any chance to run the world.

  7. Thalkirst
    2009-12-28 at 14:30

    Interesting, as this question got me out of Scientology. I am afraid that in its current state the following LRH prediction would be realized:

    “Did you ever read poor old George Orwell’s 1984? Yes, yes, that’s wonderful. That would be — could be the palest imagined shadow of what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology with no remedy in existence.

    “It’s a very simple remedy. And that’s just make sure that the remedy is passed along. That’s all. Don’t hoard it and don’t hold it; and if you ever do use any Black Dianetics, use it on the guy who pulled Scientology out of sight and made it so it wasn’t available. Because he’s the boy who would be electing himself “The New Order.” And we don’t need any more new orders. All those orders, as far as I am concerned, have been filled.” – LRH, PDC lecture of 6 December 1952 “Formative State of Scientology, Definition of Logic”

  8. dave
    2009-12-28 at 16:17

    You know, Geir, last time posters on this blog posted how wonderfull they thought Scientology’s aim was to create a world where “the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights”, I went into a fit. The way it is worded, it can only mean one thing: ONLY honest beings have rights. And in a Scientology controlled world, they get to decide who is honest and not. It means the likes of me, will be ´dispose of quietly and without sorrow´ (readers who don’t know Scientology should Google this phrase from Scientology literature). I know this is not what you believe it means. But what DOES it mean to you than?

    Because: whenever I ask Scientologists what Hubbard meant with those words, they give unconvincing and even inconsistent responses.

    I find it thoroughly disappointing, that Scientologists are unable to explain the mission statement of their own religion. A mission statement that eerily sounds like an Endlosing, no less. Why do you think the German FBI is monitoring Scientology? It is because current management is doing exactly what Hubbard told them to do: persist in a futile attempt to create a totalitian world.

    • Overdriver
      2009-12-30 at 11:51

      I agree without much antagonism against Scientology. Ron said things which can be meant this way and that way. For example this sounds great and this is really the truth in every relegion: “Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is true according to your observation. That is all.” But on the other hand, please look at this in the context of an organisation. This would lead to an anarchy… And we could make a long list of conflicting ideas from the words of LRH. Without sorting this out and intelligently and with good will deciding how the whole material can be used constructively than we have to route out. LRH himself put the seeds of tyranny etc. into Scientology. And it is not a critique. He was a man and he had hard times. But without sorting Scientology out for the good the subject will decline and with its inner faults will pull down man into the mud…

  9. WH
    2009-12-29 at 14:26

    Just in case you or others are looking for Marty’s blog it has moved to:

    http://martyrathbun09.wordpress.com/

    Spread the word, please.

    WH

    • 2009-12-29 at 22:34

      I updated the link from this site.

  10. Valkov
    2009-12-30 at 08:07

    I have to disagree with you, Dave, about the meaning of that phrase. It is quite possible I have misunderstood it, but I took it in the context of some other essays in which he talked about the current (in his time) state of Justice and law enforcement in the society.

    I got the impression he had a pretty low opinion of it, and was basically saying he thought honest people had fewer rights in the existing society, than the crooked ones, and that “vested interests” could buy their justice because they had a lot of money and connections. Chappaquiddick type situations come to mind….

  11. Gary
    2009-12-30 at 21:26

    My thoughts of a “Cleared” planet were initially the wonderful utopia many originally thought they were working for. But 27 years of indoctrination made me believe otherwise. Regardless of who is running the show, why would it really be any different when it is simply Hubbards edicts that everything run on what is called standard tech, ethics or admin. It really would become what the less appealing answers would be, of everything run by stats, handle or disconnect, suffer on up the conditions, etc. Those in charge would likely become corrputed by the power of it all. Not to mention, is there really any validity to all this other than what a few believe it to be? Can you show me a real Clear or OT? Can this person mock up or as-is something in the physical universe that anyone else can observe? Come-on overwhelm me with proof, not these wins stating “I’m much more at peace and have a focused intention” Oh brother, I had those wins on the comm course.

    • 2009-12-31 at 12:18

      Gary, I have a different view on OT powers and why you won’t see much of this at display. I will write more about this later. For now, read my article on Free Will. If you are in the mood for some physics, take a look at A subjective collapse theory.

  12. 2010-01-02 at 16:59

    IMO, this is a tremendously important topic for discussion. And, as demonstrated in the comments posted thus far, there is a wide diversity of viewpoints on the subject of, If Scientology Conquered the World…

    To begin a sentence with “If Scientology conquered the world…” instantly directs the receipt point to begin envisoning a future world state where Scientology (Church of Scientology) has gained dominant control. And directing the envisioning process down this path conjures up all manner of images. But what if you start the sentence with, “If Scientology conquered the reactive mind of each and every person on earth…” this would direct the receipt point onto a much different path and what would be envisoned would, I expect, be considerably different too.

    LRH, in my estimation, did a bang up job at going around and finding the truth wherever it might have been (he didn’t invent it, he found it and it was scattered all over the place). After he had located all of this truth and got it into one place, he organized it and bit by bit he was able to fashion this data into workable tools that people of all makes and models could apply to themselves and others to make life better. This was his legacy. And I, for one, am most grateful and appreciative of what this being, known as L. Ron Hubbard, accomplished and made available to this world. But, that being noted, he did not do it ALL. He put together some workable tools and instructions for us but tools are tools. What do you do with tools? Well, you use tools to take things apart, put things together, fix things, create new things and recreate old things. Tools, though, are not the ne plus ultra.

    HCOPL 24 March 1981, Executive Series 53, Leadership More About:

    “To lay down a big plan for Scientologists and say, ‘This is the organization and this what we are going to do: steps one, two, three…’ is saying that none of you have a right to think or plan. the only thing we can do inside Scientology is hold the communication lines of Scientology and its service in an orderly state. and we can keep the show on the road. But is an inside perimeter.”

    Scientology, the word, means: knowing how to know or the study of wisdom. I like this word because it describes exactly what I’ve been doing for a very long time i.e. I have been on the path to once again come into possession of all it is that I know and know all that I know. This is why I consider myself a Scientologist. And this has nothing to do with conquering a world but it has everything to do with me and you first envisioning and then attaining a better world, not just for ourselves, but for EVERYONE!

    The future we move into is the future WE create. Topics of discussion like this one, help us to pull our thoughts apart and examine exactly what it is that we are creating. This is why I consider this topic of tremendous importance. And it is most timely. And there is a lot more that can be said about it.

    Thank you very much isene.

    Note: I invite all here to have a look at my newly created network, Walking Around the Elephant, and know that you are most welcome to join if you so desire.

    http://scnstories.ning.com/

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