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Lying with a straight face

With reference to my earlier post “The OSA ambush meeting“, I have in my hand hard evidence of another outright lie in that meeting.

I have documents from the ethics files of former Int Base executives that were used by OSA to discredit them. On a direct question of whether the church has ever used such documents to discredit defectors, Kirsten Ceatano answered an emphatic “No”.

With the documents in one hand and an mp3 in the other, there is no wiggling out of this one.

I have never met a person who have lied with such a straight face.

Update (2009-11-01): Parts of the recording of the meeting (2h 30mins) may be made public if evidence is needed.

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  1. Axiom
    2009-11-01 at 00:31

    Fascinating how someone can lie with such a straight face but on the other hand if there´s noone there to flinch you could probably have presented anything with the same response!:) A telltale sign of a true OSA member!

    Definition of an OSA representative: A being who no longer has his own Analytical Mind.

  2. Merris
    2009-11-01 at 00:54

    Hi Geir,
    I watched a video about 3 months ago (anonymous protest), People from the org in question were reading DIRECTLY OUT OF A PC FOLDER..to the protesters in an attempt to disgrace an Ex scientologist who was there! I watched it twice to make sure of what I saw. The content I will not discuss.
    OSA does not use the WORD “fair game” but they WILL engage in it. How can you tell if they are lying????………………….Their lips are moving!!:))

    • 2009-11-01 at 07:32

      Link to the video?

      • ExKane
        2009-11-01 at 10:22

        Geir, here is one example:

        [link removed due to reference to confidential material]

        Anonsparrow1
        Video Description:
        “So “Fair Game” is alive and well. Kim Bellotte, the Executive Director, comes walking out of the org talking to another staff member about some Anonymous members being child molesters. She is making a direct reference to something in my “confidential” pre-clear folder that I voluntarily disclosed in an effort to better myself spiritually. It is something that happened nearly 20 years ago and now they are trying to use it to scare me into silence.

        Well guess what. It done backfired. Because I may have done some things in the past that I’m ashamed of and that other people would find disturbing and possibly taint their opinion of me – but I don’t care. Taking down the cult of Scientology is bigger and more important than me and my petty fears about what others might think of me.

        Copy this video and make it viral before the Cult of Scientology has it removed.”

        • 2009-11-01 at 10:55

          1. I don’t think that is proof of usage of session folder data. Anonsparrow1 was trolled and he took the bait. The use of “you are child molesters” is old and trite.
          2. Could people please stop referring to upper level materials when doing such videos or writing articles etc. It’s counter-productive – at least in the sense that I cannot use the material here. If the purpose is to shed light on abuses, they should stick to that. If the purpose is to mock people’s beliefs, they should stick to that. Mixing the two screws up the purposes.

          • ExKane
            2009-11-01 at 11:05

            I should have listened to the video. I wasn’t aware that he mentioned those materials since I watched that video long ago, although knowing Anonsparrow I should have assumed that he did. Anyways, I’ll be more careful. It was not on purpose.

            • 2009-11-01 at 11:09

              I believe you. I see you as a straight shooter.

        • anonymous
          2011-02-25 at 22:06

          the YMCA director?

  3. Linda McGinley
    2009-11-01 at 01:04

    Geir, this becomes more and more the perfect storm!

  4. 2009-11-01 at 01:22

    I am very glad to see you continuing “to pull the string” on all the lies that the Church of Scientology tells.

    More suggested areas for string pulling:

    1. The true number of Scientologists in the world. Is it really 8 million?
    2. L Ron Hubbard’s Real War Record, and whether he was ever “blinded and crippled” in WWII
    3. The true circumstances of LRH’s Death, as attested to by Eugene Denk, MD on record at the San Luis Obispo County Coroner’s Office
    4. Gerry Armstrong’s real history with the Church of Scientology
    5. Whether Mary Sue Hubbard was actually convicted of LRH’s felonies and sent to jail for him
    6. Jesse Prince’s True story and what he saw of LRH and David Miscavige in the early 1980’s

    My point: You are going to find mountains of lies.

    This particular lie is nothing compared to those.

    But, like I said, well done.

    But keep going. There’s a LOT more.

    Alanzo

  5. RJ
    2009-11-01 at 01:55

    Yeah well that’s actually TR-L which you won’t find on any IA checksheet but like disconnection Davy thought it was just too good to drop. So Ersatz GO Lite continues to practice it.

  6. TRUTH
    2009-11-01 at 02:59

    Kristen,
    I am sure you or your OSA friends are reading this blog.
    If you are a good being, which some where deep down I believe you are, you must be so ashamed of yourself for lying and at the same time trying to convince an intelligent person like Geir. Who are you fooling? Yourself! You are betraying LRH by supporting the SP(DM).

  7. truth rules
    2009-11-01 at 08:13

    It’s their olny defense. Once the lies started they can’t now go back. It will be to their own destruction. Or at least failing. Which is already happening.

  8. Overdriver
    2009-11-01 at 09:53

    While these people are inside the system, they do not see that this is outrageous.
    Unfortunately I had to cognite that what is going on inside Scientology is actually brainwash. OK, there are no drugs involved. But nevertheless, it is very efficient.
    And this is the philosophy of “The ends justify the means” although the means eat up any goodwill that was there at the beginning.

  9. 2009-11-01 at 15:22

    Please make the tape available for all to listen to. There may be information on there that may help others make sense of things.

  10. Anonymous
    2009-11-01 at 17:39

    RJ :Yeah well that’s actually TR-L which you won’t find on any IA checksheet but like disconnection Davy thought it was just too good to drop. So Ersatz GO Lite continues to practice it.

    Not true. Confidential Intelligence Course checksheet (Information Full Hat) had issue authority. Right now, October 2009, I don’t know.

    Confidential TR drills are nothing new to Scientology.

    The initial ‘Fair Game’ (non-remimeo) PL dates from March 1965 (which even condoned arson and murder on SPs, and was revised slightly, that December, for legal reasons), and then there’s the 1968 “trick, sue, *lie to* or destroy” PL, and then – after a major “PR flap” – the phony “Reform Code,” and the *words* “Fair Game” being “cancelled,” but *not* the practice. (Wink, wink.)

    The Fair Game Policy, practice, philosophy, and mentality has been around since the 1960s, as has been Scientology’s covert Intelligence network and tech.

    Is it strange that someone believing in Scientology’s “SP” doctrine, and in “Fair Game,” and in “no rights for SPs,” etc., and regarding Scientology as “Mankind’s only hope,” etc., would – then – lie to, or lie about, an “SP”?

    Is it strange that Scientology’s covert Intelligence network persons – on a planet full of “wogs” and “SPs,” that needs to be saved with Scientology or we are all doomed, etc. – would train in how to lie convincingly?

    Of course not.

  11. Nom de Plume
    2009-11-01 at 18:02

    I sometimes think of how different things would be today if we all had simply followed basic policy and demanded to see/hear LRH’s leaving-post hat turn-over in writing, or in his own voice, whichever way it existed.

  12. 2009-11-02 at 12:15

    I’m not sure if it’s the same incident, but I saw two DC staff (One was OSA) walk out of the DC org and put on an act as if they were talking to themselves about the the EX scn that was videoing them. They mentioned PC folder data and the Ex Scn was obviously upset and asked them why they were discussing his PC folder data and of course the two Scio staff members just ignored him.

    The Ex Scn goes by the name anon sparrow and he has hundreds of videos. There no way I could dig through all of them to find this, but I did watch it.

    There is also the report from OT VII Ex Scio Peter Alexander. Peter was protesting in Clearwater about 8 or 9 years ago and one of the OSA handlers was yelling Peter’s PC folder data at him.

    • 2009-11-02 at 14:33

      I am pretty sure the first one was simple church trolling and the protester took the bait hook, line and sinker (see my comment on this elsewhere [use Ctrl-F]).

      The incident with Peter Alexander would be very interesting. Any real evidence for this?

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